in today's world. >> i think that's a fair point. i think it's a very important argument to have. by the way, higher education, the for profit guys are the ones paying taxes, both property and income taxes, whereas the not for property guys are the ones receiving subsidies. as far as i'm concerned, money is money. the only difference in private and public money is ideological. you draw a line between the two. public money becomes purer -- >> but it's worth ten cents on the dollar. >> i don't disagree with you. >> you're one of the old democrats. you're looking around saying what am i. >> i don't -- by the way, it's sort of what we were talking about earlier with iran. i don't think it's a question of choosing one or the other. i think you need to have a healthy balance of both. but if you start off with a regulatory bias against the for profit sector. >> you do. >> i understand, i don't disagree. >> i'm appealing to you, stand up and be -- >> i'm sitting down -- >> i think bill clinton was a republican. are you sure he was a democrat